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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks
Posted by: John Theodore Clark
Date/Time: 20/11/09 21:28:00

You are not answering any of my points.

As to the blooper, no mistake. C14 is the common shorthand for the 14th century. You must know that, so it is odd that you accuse me of sarcasm. At that time, there was a strong feeling that Christianity had been hijacked by the Church (RC) and by the ruling classes. The fact that you don't recognise the verse, and take it literally as referring to Adam and Eve, really surprises me.

Your comparison of the violent nasty Mahommed with the peace-loving Jesus is unfair, and is a smear that the Catholic church advanced centuries ago to discredit a rival, much like the blood libel with which it smeared the Jews. Mahommed is a historical figure about much is known from sources outside Islam. We know that he was a warrior (like the Biblical David), who united many rival tribes. We know that he married what would now be considered an underage girl (although we have no idea as to when that marriage was consummated). In contrast, there is no contemporaneous writing describing Jesus. None at all. Not one jot or tittle. The first descriptions are in the first of the Gospels, written 70 years after Jesus' death. We have no description, either independent or contemporaneous as to his character, his sex life, or his views on important subjects. So it is pretty easy to make him out as a good guy.

Censoring out the martyrs? What has this got to do with anything? Do you think that Christians were the only ones to be killed for their beliefs? Do you think that Christianity was the only repressed religion at the time? Of course there were martyrs. But why do you suppose that the Church would want to emphasise this in later centuries? Couldn't be, could it, that it wanted to justify mass murder, much as the Nazis used smears against the Poles and Jews to justify similar atrocities?


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Koran bashers @the Oaks 02/11/09 16:29:00 ajit singh
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 02/11/09 22:56:00 Fred Bray
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 02/11/09 23:21:00 Alice Jones
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 17:19:00 ajit singh
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 07:32:00 David Wright
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 22:57:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 04/11/09 07:35:00 David Wright
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 04/11/09 07:47:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 09:47:00 Dee Cook
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 19:27:00 ajit singh
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 04/11/09 12:55:00 Dee Cook
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 05/11/09 22:39:00 Robin Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 06/11/09 13:52:00 Sarah Harris
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 06/11/09 14:14:00 John Theodore Clark
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 06/11/09 17:17:00 Jeremy Thorpe-Woods
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 10:05:00 ajit singh
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 10:09:00 Sara Nathan
                  :Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 12:44:00 ajit singh
                     Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 14:38:00 Sara Nathan
                     Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 14:48:00 John Pollastrini
                        Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 14:53:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 17:26:00 John Pollastrini
                              Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 18:06:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 18:40:00 John Pollastrini
                              Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 11:26:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 12:39:00 Robin Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 12:55:00 Sara Nathan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 15:47:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 20:31:00 John Pollastrini
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 23:11:00 Sara Nathan
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 09:17:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 09:21:00 Sara Nathan
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 09:28:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 14:52:00 John Theodore Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 18/11/09 00:05:00 Uzma Staite
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 16:59:00 Libby Kemp
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 17:37:00 John Theodore Clark
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 17:50:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 21:02:00 John Pollastrini
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 12:08:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 14:03:00 Dee Cook
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 17:17:00 Robin Taylor
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 18:09:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 21:25:00 Robin Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 22:16:00 John Theodore Clark
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 00:12:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 00:33:00 George Knox
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 09:40:00 Robin Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 10:06:00 George Spence
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 21:15:00 Clare Margaret
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 14/11/09 01:57:00 George Spence
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 11:17:00 John Theodore Clark
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 12:42:00 George Spence
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 13:38:00 Robin Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 13:43:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 22:11:00 Robin Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 22:25:00 Clare Margaret
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 13:55:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 14:04:00 Clare Margaret
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 16:25:00 Clare Margaret
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 16:51:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 12:26:00 George Knox
                              Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 16:32:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 17:29:00 Clare Margaret
                                 Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 17:48:00 George Spence
                                    Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 18:09:00 Clare Margaret
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 21:15:00 Robin Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 21:43:00 Clare Margaret
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 21:51:00 George Spence
                                             Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 22:49:00 George Knox
                                                Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 00:57:00 Clare Margaret
                                                   Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 09:47:00 George Spence
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 11:37:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 12:31:00 George Spence
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 12:58:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 16:43:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 19:16:00 Clare Margaret
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 11:44:00 George Knox
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 12:29:00 Clare Margaret
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 13:15:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 17:56:00 George Spence
                                                                  Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 23:00:00 George Knox
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 21/11/09 11:39:00 Dave Hughes
                                                            Celestial comets 17/11/09 22:50:00 George Knox
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 21/11/09 00:36:00 John Pollastrini
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 00:46:00 Alice Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 11:25:00 George Knox
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 13:36:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 14:42:00 George Knox
                                                   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 14:52:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 15:12:00 Clare Margaret
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 15:25:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 16:27:00 Clare Margaret
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 00:51:00 Alice Jones
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 11:15:00 George Knox
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