| Topic: | Koran bashers @the Oaks | |
| Posted by: | George Knox | |
| Date/Time: | 16/11/09 22:49:00 |
| Thank you Robin We have a huge amount of people who in some way are members of the Muslim faith actually in England. They have not been here for very long say a decade or so. Yet in that short time we have had people killed on the underground and in buses and an airport attack in this country by the jihadists. The Irish problem which you mention, goes back to Cromwell at least. The number of people killed by virtue of the fascist movement in the UK has been very small. Both these latter two movements have been opposed and apparently overcome by that old element called British common sense and firmness whatever that is. But it has worked, and the means used has been opposition and suppression of extremism and values innocuous to the British who politicians are bound to protect. With multiculturism we do not have sufficient weapons to oppose the new extremism. It is for some, non PC to talk about this problem and I suspect more so for those on the left because they espouse social justice not always, but quite a lot of the time as I do. You refer to historical events but you ignore that the drive of Muslims has been extremely great, i.e. they were once almost knocking at the gates of Paris and they overcame most of Spain and they were far into what we now call Germany. Social justice is a great cause, but not when the hand which I feed through taxes, then bites me in my own country. But I really think that when you are in serious mode your statements do not evince an attitude which suggests that opposition to the evils and risks of Muslim extremism should be opposed and very stoutly. You seem to prefer understandably to attack hypocrisy. But then, incomphrensibly you go little further; or you stray by using examples which do not get to the nub of the issue. You seem to be hiding away from the issue. You surely cannot sensibly class a few football rioters or BNP idiots with a population of several million Muslims, about who we cannot be clear of their intentions when some of their relatives are being killed in Pakistan and Afghanistan and other Asian countries. Yes I have worked with and for and known great people who are Muslims, who are peace loving and non confrontational just as I have worked with similarly inclined Jews Sikhs Hindus and Welsh people. . But that does not make the extensive expressions in the Koran of suppressing women from a westerners point of view acceptable in any guise. As others recently imply, the Muslim movement currently has some, I repeat some, potentially very dangerous features for this country. I would say that these have to be attended to now, and most vigorously but at the same time respecting the peace loving elements which are here to stay, whether the Right like it or not. I would possibly ban the Burkha until such time that it has the same lack of emotive impact as a kilt, a homburg, a cloth cap, a bowler, a turban or a fez. I would make it plain that English law will not change a jot to accommodate a different culture. I would make it illegal that Muslim women have to go to the elders for a divorce, in contrast to a Muslim man saying a word 3 times and then his wife is divorced. We no longer go to the ecclesiastical Courts to get divorced, (even thought that residual power may still endure; sorry I do not have time to check that out). Instead we abide by secular law. I would make these things, I regret, illegal because we need to lay down boundaries which say we are not going to have this country becoming Muslim. The Jews have their divorce laws, but sensibly they have not decided that all in the UK must convert to the Jewish faith. Equally I do not spend time calling Muslims heathens and I get irritated by the undertones and menace of being called a Kaffir. Yes, for months I have stood next door to a Christian fundamentalist praying for and preaching at me about the origins of the world until I could have murdered him. But he did not wish to murder me. Laisser faire and Liberalism is for this subject completely inappropriate. If, as you say, you do not have an answer, then it is time for you to start finding at least some of the answer. You are now far too old to faff about. Multiculturism is now a dying ism. You have to understand that. The proper leitmotiv for multiracialism has to be integration with tolerance. That fits in far better with your historical examples. So measured but strong opposition to the evils of the Muslim movement is what I expect from the local Left. I call upon you to think more clearly and express where you stand as regards protecting British citizens and not focus, spuriously in part, on what semi fundamentalist Bush got up to. |