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Topic: Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks
Posted by: George Spence
Date/Time: 17/11/09 09:47:00

I enjoyed reading the views of George and Clare, they make much sense, and it is refreshing to see some common sense debate on this issue, an issue that needs to be brought out into the open and made more open, to awareness by all. We all have a stake on this issue and cannot afford to leave ourselves ignorant of the issues of Islam. We do so at our own peril. I believe that the time is right to stop any further building of Mosques. I would like to see a ban on the Burka. I would like to see an end to this crazy world of Political Correctness which our town halls promote and our Goverments endorse. We like to pride ourselves on being a democracy and promote these values worldwide, yet we allow people to enter our country and dictate what they believe regards religion and culture, regardless of our legal system. "Digging a hole for ourselves" comes to mind.

My politics are "middle ground", as i believe in taking the best from the left and right. I was very left, but like others, i became disillusioned with the spread of P.C..

My issue with Islam is that it is promoting views that are incompatible with British Law. I also believe that it's views are in violation of Human Rights. Both these issues leave me to believe that it is also wrong for this religion to be allowed to operate in the United Kingdom. It doen't get much simpler than that, plain and simple.

We can talk about tolerance, culturism and religious differences until we are blue in the face, but first and foremost, we must uphold the Law, otherwise we risk the collapse of this country as a democracy.

We have had a proud history in this country of individuals puting everything on the line to get Laws changed in this country, for the better of all, usually the underdogs in society, but i now see some of these sacrafices being eroded and i wonder what our grandfathers would say of the current situation in this country. To me, Islam is a step too far, it is time to take stock and say enough is enough. Let it be debated, let it be heard, let us hear our Politicians speak about Islam, let our Town Halls take account of everyone equally and not be afraid to upset one particular group because of who they are, let us have the TRUTH about Islam. If Islam is nothing to be afraid of, let the Islamic community come forward and tell us. Let the Papers expose the truth, but most importantly, let us debate the issues of Islam, freely, and without fear, and if it is nothing to be afraid of, let us embrace the the Islamic community. I am glad to see that that we have avoided racist remarks on this issue, although i question some postings as being nothing more than annoyance due to picking on one particular sentence from an aticle that is otherwise well written, so please excuse my utterances to Robin.

We are sending young men of our Armed Forces to fight what is mainly Islamic insurgents, in Afghanistan, and it worries me that if we cannot face these Islamic fanatics in this country and deal with them, what message that must leave on the mind of a young service person who is prepared to fight for freedom, for us, and the Afghans many thousands of miles from home. We in this country have fought in many wars, fought for freedom against oppression, fought against aggressors, dictators etc, but when are we going to stand up and fight for own freedoms from people who are trying to take them away, right on our own doorstep. We are lucky, we don't need to be armed and in a foreign land, we only need to get our sometimes spineless M.P.'s to speak up on our behalf. I have drafted a letter to my M.P. and i urge others to do likewise. Thank you.


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Koran bashers @the Oaks 02/11/09 16:29:00 ajit singh
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 02/11/09 22:56:00 Fred Bray
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 02/11/09 23:21:00 Alice Jones
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 17:19:00 ajit singh
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 07:32:00 David Wright
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 22:57:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 04/11/09 07:35:00 David Wright
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 04/11/09 07:47:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 09:47:00 Dee Cook
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 03/11/09 19:27:00 ajit singh
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 04/11/09 12:55:00 Dee Cook
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 05/11/09 22:39:00 Robin Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 06/11/09 13:52:00 Sarah Harris
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 06/11/09 14:14:00 John Theodore Clark
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 06/11/09 17:17:00 Jeremy Thorpe-Woods
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 10:05:00 ajit singh
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 10:09:00 Sara Nathan
                  :Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 12:44:00 ajit singh
                     Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 14:38:00 Sara Nathan
                     Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 14:48:00 John Pollastrini
                        Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 14:53:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 17:26:00 John Pollastrini
                              Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 18:06:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 07/11/09 18:40:00 John Pollastrini
                              Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 11:26:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 12:39:00 Robin Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 12:55:00 Sara Nathan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 15:47:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 20:31:00 John Pollastrini
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 08/11/09 23:11:00 Sara Nathan
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 09:17:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 09:21:00 Sara Nathan
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 09:28:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 14:52:00 John Theodore Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 18/11/09 00:05:00 Uzma Staite
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 16:59:00 Libby Kemp
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 17:37:00 John Theodore Clark
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 17:50:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 09/11/09 21:02:00 John Pollastrini
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 12:08:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 14:03:00 Dee Cook
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 17:17:00 Robin Taylor
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 18:09:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 21:25:00 Robin Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 12/11/09 22:16:00 John Theodore Clark
   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 00:12:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 00:33:00 George Knox
      Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 09:40:00 Robin Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 10:06:00 George Spence
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 13/11/09 21:15:00 Clare Margaret
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 14/11/09 01:57:00 George Spence
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 11:17:00 John Theodore Clark
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 12:42:00 George Spence
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 13:38:00 Robin Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 13:43:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 22:11:00 Robin Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 22:25:00 Clare Margaret
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 13:55:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 14:04:00 Clare Margaret
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 16:25:00 Clare Margaret
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 15/11/09 16:51:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 12:26:00 George Knox
                              Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 16:32:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 17:29:00 Clare Margaret
                                 Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 17:48:00 George Spence
                                    Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 18:09:00 Clare Margaret
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 21:15:00 Robin Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 21:43:00 Clare Margaret
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 21:51:00 George Spence
                                             Koran bashers @the Oaks 16/11/09 22:49:00 George Knox
                                                Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 00:57:00 Clare Margaret
                                                   Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 09:47:00 George Spence
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 11:37:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 12:31:00 George Spence
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 12:58:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 16:43:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 19:16:00 Clare Margaret
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 11:44:00 George Knox
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 12:29:00 Clare Margaret
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 13:15:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 17:56:00 George Spence
                                                                  Koran bashers @the Oaks 17/11/09 23:00:00 George Knox
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 21/11/09 11:39:00 Dave Hughes
                                                            Celestial comets 17/11/09 22:50:00 George Knox
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 21/11/09 00:36:00 John Pollastrini
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 00:46:00 Alice Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 11:25:00 George Knox
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 13:36:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 14:42:00 George Knox
                                                   Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 14:52:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 15:12:00 Clare Margaret
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 15:25:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 19/11/09 16:27:00 Clare Margaret
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 00:51:00 Alice Jones
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 11:15:00 George Knox
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 13:30:00 Clare Margaret
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 14:23:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 18:29:00 Clare Margaret
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Koran bashers @the Oaks 20/11/09 21:28:00 John Theodore Clark
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                                                               Koran bashers @the Oaks 25/11/09 10:54:00 George Knox
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                                                      Koran bashers @the Oaks 26/11/09 00:10:00 George Knox
                                                         Re:Interesting argument27/11/09 15:44:00 John Theodore Clark
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