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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods
Posted by: Tom Maher
Date/Time: 16/09/20 21:02:00

Hi Ossian,

For the record I live in Shakespeare Rd (eastern end) and being a cul-de-sac by virtue of the railway have been fortunate enough to not be affected by rat-running to the extent residents of other streets may have. With two children at St. Vincent's I used to sometimes use the car for the school run but the Goldsmiths and Acacia barriers have closed this option and we now cycle - which isn't the worst outcome. I am consequently neither pro or anti-LTN at the moment.

It's interesting that you are quoting (as are Ealing) the 15% reduction in overall traffic recorded in the Walthamstow Village "mini-Holland" scheme and provide the Living Streets case study as reference. I have nothing against Living Streets per-se but would counsel caution using their representations as fully transparent - consider the following:

"At first some residents weren’t too keen on introducing low-traffic neighbourhoods and were worried that it would be difficult to access homes and businesses.

They also thought that it would lead to an increase in traffic on the main roads and might force traffic outside of schools.

However, they soon saw the improvement in the area, and counts on main roads in Waltham Forest have shown that traffic is now more spread out across the day and maximum peak hour flows are lower on the main roads."

Factually this is accurate (re: the distribution on max peak hr flows) but fails to highlight that in the 2 year post-implementation observation period, traffic on boundary roads bordering the LTN actually went UP by just over 28% in one instance. The table on p84 of the Walthamstow Village Review provides further detail - https://www.enjoywalthamforest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2017-08-23-WV-report-FINAL.pdf

I cannot describe this statement as deliberately misleading or even disingenuous but it's clear in the case of our LTN that the statements "15% traffic reduction in Poet's Corner" and "28% increase in traffic on Horn Lane/Churchfield Rd./Uxbridge Rd." are at the same time not mutually exclusive and will provoke diametrically opposed reactions depending on where you live.

Were you aware that Living Streets have a consultancy services team that will support boroughs such as Ealing in implementing LTN schemes? Again, I don't consider this untoward or improper but is indicative that they have "skin in the game" that may be completely contradictory to the wishes of local residents.  


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Low Traffic Neighbourhoods02/08/20 21:01:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 11:23:00 Peter Savick
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 13:38:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 14:21:00 Peter Evans
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 14:57:00 Tony Mansell
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 15:13:00 Peter Savick
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 17:52:00 Chris Hurley
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 17:51:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 18:31:00 Rosco White
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/08/20 18:52:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods06/08/20 09:29:00 Tony Mansell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods06/08/20 16:58:00 Ron Lewis
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/09/20 12:46:00 Ossian Olsén
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 17:56:00 Ron Lewis
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods07/08/20 17:10:00 Libby Kemp
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods04/08/20 08:41:00 Ron Lewis
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods04/08/20 10:05:00 Maire Lowe
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods04/08/20 15:11:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods07/08/20 09:56:00 Andy Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods07/08/20 22:34:00 Libby Kemp
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods08/08/20 11:23:00 Rosco White
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods08/08/20 13:50:00 Peter Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods08/08/20 18:39:00 Libby Kemp
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/08/20 16:00:00 Andy Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/08/20 22:41:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods11/08/20 18:54:00 Andy Jones
                                    Reply12/08/20 16:05:00 Kevin Howard
                                       Re:Reply01/09/20 22:36:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/09/20 15:26:00 Ossian Olsén
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/09/20 15:58:00 Ossian Olsén
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods19/08/20 10:17:00 Nick Brient
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods11/09/20 00:55:00 Ron Lewis
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 19:55:00 Peter Yale
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods11/08/20 16:44:00 Tony Bailey
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods18/08/20 18:46:00 Serena Macbeth
      Reply18/08/20 21:10:00 Tania Bapuji
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods19/08/20 10:00:00 Libby Kemp
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods19/08/20 21:18:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods20/08/20 21:40:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods27/08/20 13:27:00 Linda Tubby
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods27/08/20 14:03:00 Rosco White
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/09/20 15:51:00 Ossian Olsén
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods27/08/20 16:50:00 Jean F Fernandez
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/09/20 15:37:00 Ossian Olsén
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods30/11/20 12:01:00 Dr John Stolworthy D.Sc
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods01/09/20 22:21:00 Helen Szoke
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods12/09/20 16:31:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods01/09/20 22:28:00 Helen Szoke
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods01/09/20 22:33:00 Helen Szoke
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods11/09/20 09:10:00 Kim Rugg
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods11/09/20 14:07:00 Susan Hauser
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods12/09/20 08:37:00 Angela White
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods12/09/20 16:12:00 Sara Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/09/20 07:52:00 Ossian Olsén
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/09/20 07:36:00 Ossian Olsén
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/09/20 13:59:00 Rosco White
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/09/20 16:47:00 Sara Nathan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/09/20 21:19:00 Rosco White
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods14/09/20 20:22:00 Sara Nathan
                              Reply15/09/20 17:54:00 Tania Bapuji
                                 Re:Reply16/09/20 16:18:00 Ossian Olsén
                                    Re:Re:Reply17/09/20 19:02:00 Ron Lewis
                                 shopping in Churchfield road17/09/20 13:57:00 Sara Nathan
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods16/09/20 15:45:00 Ossian Olsén
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods16/09/20 20:33:00 Rosco White
                                    PS .................................................:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods16/09/20 20:37:00 Rosco White
                                       Re:PS .................................................:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods20/09/20 23:09:00 Ossian Olsén
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 20:17:00 Ossian Olsén
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods16/09/20 21:02:00 Tom Maher
                                    Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods16/09/20 22:27:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods17/09/20 10:32:00 Kim Rugg
                                          Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods17/09/20 13:53:00 Sara Nathan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 00:37:00 Ossian Olsén
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 16:20:00 Ossian Olsén
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 15:25:00 Angela White
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 16:35:00 Ossian Olsén
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods17/09/20 18:49:00 Ron Lewis
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods17/09/20 20:01:00 Ron Lewis
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods17/09/20 23:41:00 Rosco White
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 00:54:00 Ossian Olsén
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 00:12:00 Ossian Olsén
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 13:15:00 Ron Lewis
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods22/09/20 11:38:00 Ossian Olsén
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 13:31:00 Claire Rutland
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/09/20 14:59:00 Rosco White
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods22/09/20 13:16:00 Ossian Olsén
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods22/09/20 19:02:00 Susan Hauser
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods24/09/20 16:19:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods24/09/20 20:23:00 Georgina Burns
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods24/09/20 21:31:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods24/09/20 21:51:00 Georgina Burns
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods25/09/20 10:02:00 Susan Hauser
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods25/09/20 11:02:00 Ron Lewis
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods24/09/20 21:45:00 Ron Lewis
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods25/09/20 16:04:00 Susan Hauser
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods25/09/20 16:09:00 Susan Hauser
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods25/09/20 17:34:00 Ron Lewis
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods26/09/20 20:42:00 Wendy Moger
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods28/09/20 12:30:00 Tania Bapuji
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods28/09/20 12:35:00 Tania Bapuji
   Lawful?28/09/20 21:46:00 Vlod Barchuk
      Re:Lawful?05/10/20 13:28:00 Tony Mansell
         Re:Re:Lawful?06/10/20 10:57:00 Ron Lewis
            BBC Radio London08/10/20 08:39:00 Angela White
               Re:BBC Radio London08/10/20 18:56:00 Sara Nathan
                  Re:Re:BBC Radio London09/10/20 19:49:00 Peter Yale
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/10/20 16:30:00 Roger Foreman
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods12/10/20 18:20:00 Sara Nathan
         Low Traffic Neighbourhoods - petition16/10/20 14:53:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods20/10/20 08:55:00 Kathleen Kelber
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods20/10/20 18:18:00 Peter Yale
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods22/10/20 14:27:00 Kathleen Kelber
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods27/10/20 17:41:00 Ron Lewis
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods29/10/20 09:26:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods03/11/20 11:31:00 Ron Lewis
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods09/11/20 14:46:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods10/11/20 14:38:00 Rosco White
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods11/11/20 16:46:00 Kathleen Kelber
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods12/11/20 14:02:00 Tony Mansell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods12/11/20 18:01:00 Rosco White
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods12/11/20 18:34:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/11/20 23:17:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods14/11/20 15:18:00 Rosco White
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/11/20 23:20:00 Ron Lewis
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods14/11/20 18:24:00 Sara Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods14/11/20 19:07:00 Keith Iddon
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/11/20 14:39:00 Sara Nathan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/11/20 15:09:00 Keith Iddon
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods21/11/20 15:11:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods27/11/20 22:21:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods01/12/20 20:24:00 Peter Yale
      Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods04/12/20 16:12:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods06/12/20 14:22:00 Nicolas Ozegovic
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               Re:FINES START 7TH DECEMBER12/12/20 15:51:00 Rosco White
               Re:FINES START 7TH DECEMBER12/12/20 15:51:00 Rosco White
                  Re:Re:FINES START 7TH DECEMBER16/12/20 17:14:00 Adam Drinan
                     Re:Re:Re:FINES START 7TH DECEMBER17/12/20 18:46:00 Sara Nathan
                     Re:Re:Re:FINES START 7TH DECEMBER17/12/20 18:59:00 Peter Yale
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:FINES START 7TH DECEMBER17/12/20 21:10:00 Rosco White
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FINES START 7TH DECEMBER19/12/20 11:26:00 Nicolas Ozegovic
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            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods19/07/21 15:41:00 Maggie Dodge
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Traffic Neighbourhoods13/08/21 12:11:00 Philippa Bond
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