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Topic: Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton
Posted by: mike steer
Date/Time: 31/01/13 18:13:00

I don't agree with the sentiment of the article but there are few things that are factual and do resonate for me. 

It's quite noticeable in some parts of Acton, Greenford, West Ealing and Hanwell that some locals no longer make eye contact, speak English or maintain premises that have the *main* signage in English (with secondary signage in anything else). The latter 3 points aren't just confirmed to practising Muslims though - there are plenty of Polish shops where you won't find anything written in English and that's not ok either.

I do think that to aide social cohesion it's absolutely ok to expect that the main sign of a shop should be in English, internal signs should be in English and staff be able to speak to English speaking customers.

On a related theme, I also think that the prominent use of Halal signs that are only written in arabic or use the halal symbol is unhelpful - people should be given a choice whether to eat halal food or not and the same is true in many other shops and restaurants  outside of Acton and Ealing where the routine use of meat from non humanely slaughtered sources is not mentioned (Harvester, Fullers pubs, KFC, Subway and even Waitrose are all in good company on this one). On this point it's pretty clear to me that many people don't know what halal is, and when told would rather not eat it - more importantly this is an extremely important consideration for people whose religion requires them not to eat foods blessed for another another religion e.g. Sikhs. We should at least be given the choice - just as people who avoid beef and pork on religious grounds are also given a clear choice.

I personally have also noticed that it's quite strange walking along pavements where people go to noticeable lengths not to make eye contact and do feel quite upset that it's increasingly common not to be even able to see women's faces. Whether this is by choice or not is actually of no interest to me - it's the fact that this is a barrier to recognising ones neighbours and building relationships with them - I would feel the same way if all my neighbours wore motorbike crash helmets.

So whilst the article doesn't represent Acton for me it does highlight a few things that I do agree with and recognise are worthy of further discussion.


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provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 13:51:00 Maire Lowe
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 14:22:00 Jo Poole
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 15:24:00 Andy Heeps
         Author's background29/01/13 17:16:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 15:41:00 Milena Vincic
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 18:10:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 18:11:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 18:22:00 Richard Grange
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 18:23:00 Iain Muir
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:06:00 Nicola Howard
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:12:00 Nicola Howard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:26:00 Keith Iddon
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:47:00 Richard Grange
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:48:00 Nicola Howard
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:51:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:52:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 19:56:00 Nicola Howard
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 20:03:00 Keith Iddon
                                    My letter to the editor (didnt think anyone else would do it) 29/01/13 20:23:00 Sara Nathan
                                       Re:My letter to the editor (didnt think anyone else would do it) 29/01/13 20:26:00 Milena Vincic
                                       Re:My letter to the editor (didnt think anyone else would do it) 29/01/13 20:33:00 Chris Hurley
                                       Re:My letter to the editor (didnt think anyone else would do it) 29/01/13 20:35:00 Keith Iddon
                                          Re:Re:My letter to the editor (didnt think anyone else would do it) 29/01/13 20:42:00 Sara Nathan
                                       Re:My letter to the editor (didnt think anyone else would do it) 30/01/13 08:58:00 Ed Nolan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 20:28:00 Nicola Howard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 20:34:00 Keith Iddon
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 21:11:00 Nicola Howard
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 21:22:00 Sara Nathan
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 21:40:00 Colin Carroll
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 21:48:00 Nicola Howard
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 21:42:00 Nicola Howard
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 22:07:00 Keith Iddon
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 22:26:00 Sara Nathan
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 23:17:00 Keith Iddon
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 23:28:00 Nicola Howard
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 23:45:00 Keith Iddon
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 23:59:00 Nicola Howard
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton29/01/13 22:27:00 Nicola Howard
                           Re Photo 10/02/13 20:08:00 Jane Kelly
                              Re:Re Photo 10/02/13 20:25:00 Nicola Howard
                              Re:Why not just get personal!11/02/13 06:17:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 16:46:00 Beryl Bashford
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 19:16:00 Maire Lowe
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton30/01/13 21:13:00 David Lawes
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton30/01/13 22:30:00 Paul Ambridge
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton30/01/13 22:35:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 11:36:00 Diana Oneill
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 13:13:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 11:51:00 Paul Hughes-Smith
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 13:30:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 12:11:00 Winsome Gillette-Fussell
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 14:03:00 Diana Oneill
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 15:04:00 Maire Lowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 17:12:00 Diana Oneill
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 15:34:00 P Aaron
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 15:56:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 16:28:00 Ed Nolan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 17:26:00 P Aaron
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 20:43:00 Tony Price
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton01/02/13 08:30:00 Ed Nolan
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 16:56:00 Anne Brown
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 17:07:00 Diana Oneill
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 18:13:00 mike steer
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton04/02/13 12:11:00 Anne Brown
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton01/02/13 10:45:00 Tony Price
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton31/01/13 17:46:00 Lucia Decermic
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton01/02/13 18:32:00 David Lawes
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton01/02/13 19:18:00 Sam James
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton01/02/13 23:54:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton02/02/13 15:10:00 Chris Hurley
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton02/02/13 00:42:00 David Lawes
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton03/02/13 21:28:00 Jean F Fernandez
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton03/02/13 22:40:00 Nicola Howard
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton03/02/13 22:53:00 Jean F Fernandez
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton03/02/13 22:51:00 Tony Price
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton03/02/13 22:36:00 David Lawes
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton03/02/13 23:32:00 Jo Poole
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton04/02/13 00:32:00 Iain Muir
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton04/02/13 08:34:00 Maire Lowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton04/02/13 10:02:00 Sara Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 09:26:00 A.C. Tonner
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 09:48:00 Sara Nathan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 09:55:00 Jo Poole
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 10:06:00 Tony Price
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 10:34:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 12:22:00 Jonathan Robinson
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 13:17:00 Tony Price
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 13:21:00 Tony Price
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 13:25:00 Tony Price
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 15:49:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 16:17:00 Tony Price
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 16:40:00 Richard Grange
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 16:54:00 Tony Price
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 16:57:00 Keith Iddon
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 17:00:00 Tony Price
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 16:57:00 Tony Price
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 17:47:00 Richard Grange
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 17:57:00 Tony Price
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 20:10:00 Sara Nathan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 20:18:00 Tony Price
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 20:49:00 Nicola Howard
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 21:41:00 Tony Price
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 22:25:00 Sara Nathan
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 23:08:00 Tony Price
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 09:33:00 Richard Grange
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton07/02/13 00:17:00 Tony Price
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 16:10:00 Maire Lowe
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 21:41:00 Lucia Decermic
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 21:47:00 Lucia Decermic
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 20:51:00 David Lawes
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 21:47:00 Tony Price
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 21:49:00 Tony Price
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 21:57:00 Jo Poole
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 22:04:00 Jo Poole
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 23:00:00 Tony Price
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 23:04:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 23:37:00 Tony Price
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton05/02/13 23:54:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 00:03:00 Maire Lowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 00:26:00 Nicola Howard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 00:43:00 Tony Price
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 00:54:00 Nicola Howard
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 01:17:00 Tony Price
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 16:16:00 Jen Morty
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 02:08:00 John Anthony Symons
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 02:25:00 Tony Price
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 09:49:00 Nigel Williams
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 10:05:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 12:08:00 Diana Oneill
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton06/02/13 12:37:00 Fraser Pearce
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton07/02/13 03:43:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton07/02/13 11:20:00 Sara Nathan
                        Try the Times instead08/02/13 15:06:00 Susan Kelly
                           Re:Try the Times instead08/02/13 18:00:00 Sara Nathan
                              Re:Re:Try the Times instead08/02/13 19:28:00 Susan Kelly
                                 Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead08/02/13 19:39:00 Nicola Howard
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead08/02/13 19:48:00 Keith Iddon
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead08/02/13 19:59:00 Nicola Howard
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 08:42:00 Susan Kelly
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 09:48:00 Keith Iddon
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 10:21:00 Susan Kelly
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 10:42:00 Keith Iddon
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 11:53:00 Richard Grange
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 14:17:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead10/02/13 12:49:00 Jonathan Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead10/02/13 13:07:00 Jean F Fernandez
                                 Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 14:36:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead09/02/13 19:48:00 Susan Kelly
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead10/02/13 06:26:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead10/02/13 11:32:00 N Roberts
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead11/02/13 06:52:00 Sara Nathan
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead11/02/13 09:54:00 Susan Kelly
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead11/02/13 16:15:00 N Roberts
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead11/02/13 22:17:00 Susan Kelly
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead12/02/13 01:17:00 Keith Iddon
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Try the Times instead12/02/13 08:24:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton08/02/13 17:25:00 sarah west
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton10/02/13 07:34:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
         What the removal men say.11/02/13 17:12:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton14/03/13 21:40:00 Beryl Bashford
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton15/03/13 17:35:00 David Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton16/03/13 06:37:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton16/03/13 15:26:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton14/03/13 21:47:00 Beryl Bashford
      Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton14/03/13 22:07:00 Tony Price
         Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton14/03/13 23:36:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton15/03/13 06:56:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton15/03/13 08:38:00 Nigel Williams
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton15/03/13 10:10:00 Diana Oneill
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:provocative article in Telegraph re Acton15/03/13 10:16:00 Nigel Williams

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