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Topic: Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece
Posted by: Andy Jones
Date/Time: 26/08/09 11:41:00

Whilst extolling the virtues of the remnants of a grammar school ethos at AHS I would in no way want to see a return to that system. The great virtue of grammar schools was they recognised their primary purpose was to encourage academic achievement in their pupils. However there is no denying they are structurally socially divisive.

The present system does give a much larger proportion of the population a chance of a decent education however it is far from perfect.

The answer to me is not to set up a new 'comprehensive grammar' but to make AHS one i.e. a school which has the ethos of a grammar but a non-selective entry. This is probably only turning the clock back 10 to 15 years to what it used to be.

The challenges that AHS faces compared with other local schools are numerous. We have already touched on discipline issues and the fact that troublesome pupils are difficult to get rid of and often passed on from other schools. They also will tend to get a high proportion of children in care, asylum seekers, people who move around alot such as travellers because the school tends to be undersubscribed and therefore always has places. I am not saying these groups necessarily pose particular discipline or academic problems but they would require extra resources which would reduce the focus on teaching.

None of this necessarily should mean that the school will fail but it is critically important for any school to be oversubscribed so that their pupil roll remains stable and the proportion of more challenging pupils remains at a manageable level.

To achieve this they must be sufficiently attractive to the long term resident population of W3. I appreciate this is a challenge. Many will be of sufficient means to go private, many will be practising Christians and send their children to Twyford, the large Irish and Polish populations and other ethnic groups from Catholic countries will be looking first at the RC schools. However, this should leave a sufficiently large number of the population who would prefer a secular local comprehensive for their child.

I think the publication of league tables has sapped a lot of local confidence in the school. Toby Young quotes them and I'm sure he never actually visited the school. This becomes self fulfilling - if a school is perceived as under achieving then it will fail to attract the kind of children who are more likely to gain higher results.

The answer is to regain the confidence of the local community. The head needs to give a clear message that academic achievement is the primary aim of the school. This is what every parent, whether a recently arrived Somali asylum seeker or a professional person living near Poet's Corner, wants to hear. Sara is exactly right when she says not having a sixth form is a mistake. It sends out a very bad message about the aspirations of the school for its pupils. With the country in deep recession there will be a much larger pool of people looking for state education so the chances are increased that the school could be over-subscribed if it could regain the confidence of the broader local community.


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Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 00:31:00 Iain Muir
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 07:52:00 Chris Hurley
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 08:12:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 10:09:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 11:19:00 Peter Todd
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 11:26:00 Colin Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 12:23:00 John Theodore Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 15:22:00 Peter Todd
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 17:17:00 Colin Murphy
                        Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:19:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:20:00 John Theodore Clark
                              Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:38:00 Peter Todd
                                 Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 12:06:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 12:41:00 John Theodore Clark
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 15:55:00 Dan Filson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 16:05:00 Sara Nathan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 16:15:00 Dan Filson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Where is my post, editor???!!!22/08/09 20:13:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Where is my post, editor???!!!22/08/09 23:43:00 Sara Nathan
                                                      Back to the thread23/08/09 11:27:00 Sara Nathan
                                                         Re:Back to the thread23/08/09 20:46:00 Chris Hurley
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea24/08/09 11:49:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea24/08/09 16:23:00 Rosco White
         A response to Andy Jones24/08/09 21:43:00 Iain Muir
            Re:A response to Andy Jones24/08/09 23:25:00 Chris Hurley
               Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 07:35:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 07:35:00 John Theodore Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 09:40:00 Andy Jones
                     Response to Toby's Observer piece25/08/09 23:40:00 Iain Muir
                        Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 09:08:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 11:41:00 Andy Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 12:39:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece27/08/09 22:43:00 Iain Muir
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece27/08/09 23:23:00 Sara Nathan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece30/08/09 23:59:00 Anne Brown
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 05:49:00 Maire Lowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 11:29:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 11:45:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece01/09/09 08:36:00 Maire Lowe
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea01/09/09 23:19:00 Colin Carroll
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 11:23:00 Anne Brown
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 11:29:00 Andy Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 13:20:00 Colin Carroll
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 10:03:00 Andy Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 10:40:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 11:01:00 Sara Nathan
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 12:03:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea04/09/09 10:51:00 Andy Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 15:57:00 Maire Lowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 09:41:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 11:51:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 14:10:00 Anne Brown
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 14:16:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                        Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 22:01:00 Iain Muir
                           Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 22:33:00 Sara Nathan
                              Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 23:18:00 Iain Muir
                                 Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 08:09:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 11:00:00 Maire Lowe
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 12:07:00 Anne Brown
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 16:03:00 Nigel Williams
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 17:10:00 Anne Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?05/09/09 19:25:00 Maire Lowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?17/11/09 18:36:00 David Lawes
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea15/11/09 12:53:00 Hitesh Tailor
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea15/11/09 15:48:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 13:54:00 Vivienne Duggan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 15:59:00 Chris Hurley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 17:23:00 Vivienne Duggan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:47:00 The Editor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:51:00 The Editor
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:33:00 Paul Webster
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea18/11/09 00:53:00 Toby Young
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea29/11/09 00:21:00 Iain Muir

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