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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea
Posted by: Peter Todd
Date/Time: 21/08/09 11:19:00

I feel a bit conflicted about this.

On the one hand I totally agree that our local state schools, in particular Acton High, need the support and involvement of the whole community.

Unfortunately the high level of middle class families in our area taking their children out of the state system and using private schools means the state system is always going to be disadvantaged. There is a strong correlation between the proportion of children attending private schools in an area and the success of the state system.

The only way to combat this is for committed parents to send their kids to state schools and get involved in making the school a good place. I think there are signs of this happening at Acton High, it seems to be gradually coming up despite all the challenges it faces.

I think the influence of faith based schools is very negative. I can't believe in this day and age it can be fair or right for a child to be excluded from a school on the basis of their religious belief.

For example, my nearest secondary school is Twyford, but my children are excluded because we don't attend church regularly enough. Selection on faith grounds tends to coincide with other factors which mean the faith schools are seen to be "better" although this may be down to selection and other factors.

Unless a family is religious (catholic or CofE) in Acton, there secondary school choices in Acton are very limited. At least girls have a choice of Ellen Wilkinson or Acton High. Boys have no choice.

It would be fantastic if Toby was positive about Acton High and decided to send his kids there and get involved in workshops and literature there. Maybe he will anyway. He is very talented and funny and has a lot to offer. I really like him!

I don't think however I would condemn any parent for their choices. The choices can be few and difficult. Should you be radical and go for the state sector despite the fact you know the resources will be considerably lower and inevitably your child would be somewhat disadvantaged? Some people, such as Diane Abbott have chosen that for their children they are prepared to compromise their principles and opt for private education for their children because even though the may be roundly condemned for hypocrisy, they put their own childrens' welfare as the paramount consideration.

So whatever Toby does I will watch with interest. My hunch is that he will not get the school off the ground and will either go private or move again. But I would love him to take the option of sending his to Ellen Wilkinson or Acton High, and think all those parents who do are amazing.


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Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 00:31:00 Iain Muir
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 07:52:00 Chris Hurley
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 08:12:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 10:09:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 11:19:00 Peter Todd
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 11:26:00 Colin Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 12:23:00 John Theodore Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 15:22:00 Peter Todd
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 17:17:00 Colin Murphy
                        Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:19:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:20:00 John Theodore Clark
                              Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:38:00 Peter Todd
                                 Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 12:06:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 12:41:00 John Theodore Clark
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 15:55:00 Dan Filson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 16:05:00 Sara Nathan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 16:15:00 Dan Filson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Where is my post, editor???!!!22/08/09 20:13:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Where is my post, editor???!!!22/08/09 23:43:00 Sara Nathan
                                                      Back to the thread23/08/09 11:27:00 Sara Nathan
                                                         Re:Back to the thread23/08/09 20:46:00 Chris Hurley
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea24/08/09 11:49:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea24/08/09 16:23:00 Rosco White
         A response to Andy Jones24/08/09 21:43:00 Iain Muir
            Re:A response to Andy Jones24/08/09 23:25:00 Chris Hurley
               Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 07:35:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 07:35:00 John Theodore Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 09:40:00 Andy Jones
                     Response to Toby's Observer piece25/08/09 23:40:00 Iain Muir
                        Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 09:08:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 11:41:00 Andy Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 12:39:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece27/08/09 22:43:00 Iain Muir
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece27/08/09 23:23:00 Sara Nathan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece30/08/09 23:59:00 Anne Brown
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 05:49:00 Maire Lowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 11:29:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 11:45:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece01/09/09 08:36:00 Maire Lowe
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea01/09/09 23:19:00 Colin Carroll
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 11:23:00 Anne Brown
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 11:29:00 Andy Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 13:20:00 Colin Carroll
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 10:03:00 Andy Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 10:40:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 11:01:00 Sara Nathan
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 12:03:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea04/09/09 10:51:00 Andy Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 15:57:00 Maire Lowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 09:41:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 11:51:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 14:10:00 Anne Brown
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 14:16:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                        Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 22:01:00 Iain Muir
                           Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 22:33:00 Sara Nathan
                              Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 23:18:00 Iain Muir
                                 Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 08:09:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 11:00:00 Maire Lowe
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 12:07:00 Anne Brown
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 16:03:00 Nigel Williams
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 17:10:00 Anne Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?05/09/09 19:25:00 Maire Lowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?17/11/09 18:36:00 David Lawes
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea15/11/09 12:53:00 Hitesh Tailor
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea15/11/09 15:48:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 13:54:00 Vivienne Duggan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 15:59:00 Chris Hurley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 17:23:00 Vivienne Duggan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:47:00 The Editor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:51:00 The Editor
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:33:00 Paul Webster
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea18/11/09 00:53:00 Toby Young
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea29/11/09 00:21:00 Iain Muir

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