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Topic: A response to Andy Jones
Posted by: Iain Muir
Date/Time: 24/08/09 21:43:00

Thanks to Andy Jones for his detailed contribution though I do not agree with most of it.  I will comment on Toby’s Observer article in a later post as it raises new issues. For brevity (sorry folks it is still a lengthy piece!) I will cut n post or paraphrase Andy and respond to each general point.
1. ‘the fact that very few people participating in this thread have done or would consider sending their children to Acton High’.
Andy what evidence do you have for this statement? My two children attended AHS from 11 to 16, moving on to Richmond College for A levels. We were involved with the PTA, attended fundraisers, and for my sins I was Father Xmas one year. My eldest boy graduated in Leeds 4 years ago and works for his Alma mater (not my own, Leeds Uni, though his grad ceremony was in the same Cloth Workers Court) The youngest is about to start his third year at Sussex and appears to be doing well in Economics & Politics. I do not know about other posters

2. The Head, ‘Unfortunately, since the Headship has been given to someone who has been the driving force behind political correct initiatives in education rather than an experienced educator, morale amongst the teaching staff at the school seems to have taken a dive.’
I do not have any current connection with the school so cannot judge your statement. I do know they had problems with the new build (classic PFI!) but unhappy staff has been a constant when faced with change.

3. Faith Schools: ‘That the left have taken to attacking the part of the state system that appears to be performing best is indicative of the betrayal of the working classes in this country.’
You do not have to be a lefty to be unhappy with the disproportionate influence of both CoE and RC on education. Their role is historic and has no justification in modern Britain. It is bizarre that a resident of Acton should have to demonstrate a belief in a faith for their child to get access to Twyford. I have no faith, I had no alternative to Acton. I do not believe in other faith schools either but given the precedent you cannot blame Jews, Muslims, Sikhs et al for claiming their share. (My sisters children attend(ed) a Jewish secondary in Liverpool). Anecdotaly the Oratory and St Margarets in LBHF have total freedom to be dictatorial both in admissions and their treatment of parents.

4. New labour: ‘has pervaded New Labour and their aim is to achieve equality of opportunity by trying to ensure that nobody in the state system gets opportunities that are not available to others.
I believe this is a follow up point on faith schools. I do not understand the Academy concept (quasi voluntary, min £2m input from a benefactor, charity or organisation, freedom from LEA control) but Labour have been pushing it as one of their main tools for improving standards with lots of newly built schools. LBHF are founding one on the Stamford House site which will compete with the Phoenix.

5. LEA Control: I can understand concern over maintaining discipline and control if as Andy says exclusion units have been closed and Heads are under pressure to accept ‘difficult’ kids. However this is not a new issue, Governors, Heads and LEA’s have always had problems resolving different interests. Schools, including AHA make strong statements as to their expected behaviour and response from parents. 4/5 years ago when my youngest was still a pupil I would get auto text messages and emails if he failed to register....Andy mentions recent action by the Phoenix to justify freedom from LEA control. Andy is wrong. The Phoenix, whilst a ‘Specialist’ school (like Acton) is still firmly an LEA school. The Chair is Rosie Farrar, a finance director who lives in W12 and has been involved in the local community for many years.

6. Toby’s big idea ‘Toby Young's initiative shouldn't be necessary but sadly it is. The really effective response to the problems in local education would be to take Acton High away from the dead hand of the LEA.’

Not proven Andy, Toby wants to create his own vision of a grammar based on his own experience of two comps, some years ago, presumably whilst having traditional middle class family support. He should get his hands dirty and work with fellow parents to develop the academic and pastoral standard he rightly desires. He might be surprised to find out what already exists

Iain Muir


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 00:31:00 Iain Muir
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 07:52:00 Chris Hurley
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 08:12:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 10:09:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 11:19:00 Peter Todd
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 11:26:00 Colin Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 12:23:00 John Theodore Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 15:22:00 Peter Todd
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea21/08/09 17:17:00 Colin Murphy
                        Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:19:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:20:00 John Theodore Clark
                              Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 10:38:00 Peter Todd
                                 Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 12:06:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 12:41:00 John Theodore Clark
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 15:55:00 Dan Filson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 16:05:00 Sara Nathan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Have some posts vanished?22/08/09 16:15:00 Dan Filson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Where is my post, editor???!!!22/08/09 20:13:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Where is my post, editor???!!!22/08/09 23:43:00 Sara Nathan
                                                      Back to the thread23/08/09 11:27:00 Sara Nathan
                                                         Re:Back to the thread23/08/09 20:46:00 Chris Hurley
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea24/08/09 11:49:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea24/08/09 16:23:00 Rosco White
         A response to Andy Jones24/08/09 21:43:00 Iain Muir
            Re:A response to Andy Jones24/08/09 23:25:00 Chris Hurley
               Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 07:35:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 07:35:00 John Theodore Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:A response to Andy Jones25/08/09 09:40:00 Andy Jones
                     Response to Toby's Observer piece25/08/09 23:40:00 Iain Muir
                        Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 09:08:00 Sara Nathan
                           Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 11:41:00 Andy Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece26/08/09 12:39:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece27/08/09 22:43:00 Iain Muir
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece27/08/09 23:23:00 Sara Nathan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece30/08/09 23:59:00 Anne Brown
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 05:49:00 Maire Lowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 11:29:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece31/08/09 11:45:00 Sara Nathan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Response to Toby's Observer piece01/09/09 08:36:00 Maire Lowe
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea01/09/09 23:19:00 Colin Carroll
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 11:23:00 Anne Brown
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 11:29:00 Andy Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 13:20:00 Colin Carroll
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 10:03:00 Andy Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 10:40:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 11:01:00 Sara Nathan
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 12:03:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea04/09/09 10:51:00 Andy Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea02/09/09 15:57:00 Maire Lowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 09:41:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 11:51:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 14:10:00 Anne Brown
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea03/09/09 14:16:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
                        Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 22:01:00 Iain Muir
                           Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 22:33:00 Sara Nathan
                              Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?03/09/09 23:18:00 Iain Muir
                                 Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 08:09:00 Sara Nathan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 11:00:00 Maire Lowe
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 12:07:00 Anne Brown
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 16:03:00 Nigel Williams
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?04/09/09 17:10:00 Anne Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?05/09/09 19:25:00 Maire Lowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's big new TV Project with school attached?17/11/09 18:36:00 David Lawes
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea15/11/09 12:53:00 Hitesh Tailor
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea15/11/09 15:48:00 Shao-Ying Ben-Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 13:54:00 Vivienne Duggan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 15:59:00 Chris Hurley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 17:23:00 Vivienne Duggan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:47:00 The Editor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:51:00 The Editor
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea17/11/09 22:33:00 Paul Webster
   Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea18/11/09 00:53:00 Toby Young
      Re:Re:Elephant in the Room - Toby Young's School idea29/11/09 00:21:00 Iain Muir

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