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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...
Posted by: Iain Muir
Date/Time: 10/07/10 22:17:00

Maire,  Ouch! I have obviously touched a nerve  in my defence of Stephen Pound but you also refer back to my previous posts on Toby’s school........
Might not be just ‘middle class’ residents in favour of Toby’s school but the steering group profiles confirm  who is in charge! – see their website
Not me with Prosecco I’m afraid, red wine or lager for me, all too often seen in many supermarkets locally as I search for something different to eat. Cheap Wine used to be c.£3.99 but is now more likely at £4.99.
Yes I do like Earl Grey, but also have a variety of herbal teas left over from Julie, kept for visitors.
I also like Waitrose, for some reason the security guard at Chiswick follows me as I explore the isles looking for reduced items. No problem at West Ealing though.
Not sure choice of tea a good indicator for class?
Class is a very tricky issue, I have no problems with being ‘middle class’. My parents despite first two homes being council owned were aspirational and through a frugal 1950’s my dad progressed his career staying with the same employer for 40 years. My mum (with 4 children) was bored stiff as he would not allow her to work. I was the only one to make it to university, very few did in 1970. I then gained a professional qualification  and have happily stayed in social housing ever since. I have never earnt large sums but as a consultant can get a good daily rate, but jobs are short term and currently in short supply.
Julie’s parents were both care workers and lowly paid. One of seven Julie defined herself genuinely working class.  Julie was the only one to reach college, qualifying as a Librarian. Her father with his siblings were in a workhouse in Ipswich before joining the army at 14. She would never share a piece of fruit, memories of being the youngest!
‘Middle class’ is a very broad spectrum. We could never have afforded private education even if we had wanted it. We were fortunate in an excellent state primary and Acton High, which could have been better but produced two boys who were successful at Richmond College and at University (Youngest just has 2.1 from Sussex). I was a primary governor for 16 years, Julie was always involved in the primary PTA including being chair. She also helped out at Acton PTA, as did I briefly as Father Christmas.....
Another version of ‘Middle Class’ presumes private education as of right, they will use state primaries if thought ‘ok’ (John Betts and Belmont for example) and then decamp (dumping former friends who stay in the state system –according to a friend who’s child was at Belmont)
Unfortunately this version of the class sometimes find that they cannot afford their expectation. Hence Toby’s comment at the very start of the debate, what with 4 under  5’s  or whatever.
The steering group for Toby’s school has recently widened slightly but remains essentially people that had a private education or work in private education and want a quasi private education for their children, paid for by us.  At least they have lost the women with distant royal connections.....
Toby’s original ideas were laughable, ‘Comprehensive Grammar’ for example. We now have a proposal for an Academy, following slightly dodgy admissions criterion but that’s not Toby’s fault it’s the way Academies work (A puzzling Labour Government invention)
It remains a quasi 1950’s Grammar what with motto and compulsory Latin and presumably an expensive uniform you will not get from Asda. It will be run by a profit making service company, possibly from Sweden, in premises which will more than likely not meet current standards.
The coalition’s cuts to Building for Schools has placed the Toby school firmly in the frame as the favoured minority against the mainstream, to the expense of the many. £500k has been awarded to a lobby group staffed by 2 former Gove aides to promote Toby schools. The cash came from School IT development budgets.
Maire,  I have no doubt that you believe that Toby’s school will provide a better opportunity for children from Acton. I do not agree.
You are very welcome at my home for a cup of Earl Grey and to discuss further, send me a PM  if you want to follow this up. (presuming its working)
Best Wishes
Iain


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Toby's new school.......22/06/10 09:20:00 Dee Cook
   Re:Toby's new school.......22/06/10 10:38:00 Chris Hurley
      Re:Re:Toby's new school.......22/06/10 12:02:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......22/06/10 14:01:00 Phil Conran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......25/06/10 07:51:00 James Knights
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......25/06/10 23:36:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......25/06/10 23:54:00 Jen Morty
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......26/06/10 08:14:00 Colin Carroll
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......26/06/10 12:44:00 Jim Wong
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......26/06/10 13:56:00 Iain Muir
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......26/06/10 18:51:00 Colin Carroll
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......26/06/10 19:52:00 Jen Morty
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......26/06/10 20:37:00 Colin Carroll
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......26/06/10 20:55:00 Jen Morty
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......27/06/10 12:08:00 Colin Carroll
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......27/06/10 12:49:00 Jen Morty
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Toby's new school.......27/06/10 13:30:00 Colin Carroll
                                                   Invitation ?27/06/10 15:42:00 Jim Wong
                                                      Re:Invitation ?27/06/10 17:22:00 Jen Morty
                                                         Re:Re:Invitation ?27/06/10 17:41:00 Jim Wong
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Invitation ?27/06/10 19:10:00 Jean Heaphy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Invitation ?27/06/10 19:39:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Invitation ?27/06/10 19:43:00 Jean Heaphy
                                                                     Where is Toby?27/06/10 19:51:00 Jim Wong
                                                                        Re:Where is Toby?27/06/10 21:08:00 Iain Muir
                                                                           Re:Re:Where is Toby?27/06/10 21:30:00 Jim Wong
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Where is Toby?27/06/10 22:20:00 Charlie Ben-Nathan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Where is Toby?27/06/10 23:26:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                 Middle class Bashing??28/06/10 00:11:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                    Re:Middle class Bashing??28/06/10 08:21:00 Charlie Ben-Nathan
                                                                                       Re:Re:Middle class Bashing??28/06/10 08:57:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                       Re:Re:Middle class Bashing??28/06/10 09:04:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Middle class Bashing??28/06/10 09:12:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Middle class Bashing??28/06/10 11:24:00 Toby Young
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Middle class Bashing??28/06/10 23:01:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Middle class Bashing??30/06/10 21:19:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                                In the news today ...06/07/10 12:03:00 Kim Bobsin
                                                                                                   Re:In the news today ...06/07/10 23:00:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                                      Re:Re:In the news today ...07/07/10 00:04:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...07/07/10 01:31:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                                            Real Financial trouble07/07/10 07:36:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...07/07/10 09:14:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...07/07/10 13:47:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...07/07/10 21:49:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 11:32:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 11:40:00 Peter Todd
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 12:40:00 Paul Grady
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 13:45:00 Iain Muir
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 13:49:00 Paul Grady
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 14:18:00 Charlie Mawer
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 14:46:00 Anne Brown
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 15:18:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 15:24:00 Charlie Mawer
                                                                                                                                 Show us the money!08/07/10 15:37:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                                                                    Re:Show us the money!08/07/10 15:58:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                                                                                    Re:Show us the money!08/07/10 16:01:00 Charlie Ben-Nathan
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Show us the money!08/07/10 19:21:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                                                              Exams08/07/10 15:40:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                                                                 Re:Exams - for Charlie08/07/10 17:54:00 Anne Brown
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...09/07/10 09:44:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...08/07/10 19:37:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...09/07/10 00:23:00 Maire Lowe
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...09/07/10 09:40:00 Charlie Mawer
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...09/07/10 10:05:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...09/07/10 10:13:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...09/07/10 10:29:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...09/07/10 12:30:00 Iain Muir
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...10/07/10 17:09:00 Maire Lowe
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...10/07/10 18:18:00 Iain Muir
                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...10/07/10 18:59:00 Maire Lowe
                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...10/07/10 22:17:00 Iain Muir
                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...10/07/10 23:13:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:In the news today ...11/07/10 00:44:00 Jean Heaphy
                                                                                                                                                Earl Grey Tea Special!11/07/10 01:21:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                                                                                   Re:Earl Grey Tea Special!11/07/10 08:21:00 Maire Lowe
                                                                                                                                                      And as for Stephen Pound11/07/10 08:32:00 Maire Lowe
                                                                                                                                                         Re:And as for Stephen Pound12/07/10 12:35:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound12/07/10 22:56:00 Maire Lowe
                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound13/07/10 07:45:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound13/07/10 08:40:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound13/07/10 09:10:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound13/07/10 09:45:00 Andy Magee
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound13/07/10 12:39:00 Samantha Christine Hill
                                                                                                                                                                              A little knowledge is a dangerous thing- S Johnson13/07/10 12:53:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
                                                                                                                                                                                 good therapy session13/07/10 14:52:00 Jim Wong
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound13/07/10 13:00:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                                                                                                 RE: Therapy13/07/10 15:21:00 Christine Siobhsn Oktay
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:And as for Stephen Pound13/07/10 21:48:00 Jean Heaphy
                                                                                                                                                                                    Reply to Jean14/07/10 00:19:00 Toby Young
                                                                                                                                                                                       Another query14/07/10 08:07:00 Samantha Christine Hill
                                                                                                                                                                                       Re:Reply to Jean14/07/10 08:19:00 Jean Heaphy
                                                                                                                                                                                          If you dont like the message shoot the messenger.22/07/10 22:55:00 Colin Carroll
                                                                                                                                                                                             Re:If you dont like the message shoot the messenger.22/07/10 23:07:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:If you dont like the message shoot the messenger.22/07/10 23:22:00 Iain Muir
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:If you dont like the message shoot the messenger.23/07/10 05:30:00 Andy Magee
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:If you dont like the message shoot the messenger.23/07/10 09:35:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Documentary about Toby's school on telly  this week25/09/10 23:03:00 Sara Nathan

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