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Topic: Re:Human Rights....gone insane?
Posted by: Roy Gillett
Date/Time: 14/03/12 22:10:00

Some information

The Human Rights Act is nothing whatsoever to do with the European Union. It's enabling legislation that brings the treaty requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights within the purview of British courts such that EHCR cases don't have to go to the European Court of Human Rights. If the HRA was scrapped it would make no difference WHATSOEVER to the UK's obligations under the Convention. It would simply take a lot longer for cases to be settled

Further, it's a tabloid myth, enthusiatically and dishonestly promulgated by various governments that the European Court of Human Rights is some alien, unBritish monstrosity imposing unwanted and unneeded arbitrary rules on our sovereign government. The Court, (staffed, incidentally by some of the most qualified judges in Europe and currently presided over by the UK representative, Sir Nicholas Bratza) adjudicates on matters pertaining to the European Convention on Human Rights.
The Convention is a large set of treaties concerning individual rights and freedoms freely entered into by members of the Council of Europe--a body set up in the aftermath of WW2 specifically to provide a framework of cooperation between nation states and to prevent the rise of totalitarianism. The original Convention drew heavily on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights issued by the United Nations

So when a court hands down a decision under the HRA on a matter falling within the remit of the ECHR, it is not judges in another country telling us what we can do, it's a court telling politicians what their treaty obligations are. It's telling them that they are bound by agreements made in good faith by their predecessors.

And it's nothing to do with that tabloid *bete noir* the European Union

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 14:21:00 Nicola Howard
   Re:Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 16:04:00 Susan Kelly
      Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 17:11:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 21:45:00 Nicola Howard
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 21:56:00 Keith Iddon
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 21:59:00 Nicola Howard
   Re:Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 22:10:00 Roy Gillett
      Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?14/03/12 23:45:00 Sara Nathan
         Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 00:59:00 Jean F Fernandez
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 05:53:00 Roy Gillett
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 10:05:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 11:31:00 George Knox
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 11:45:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 05:48:00 Roy Gillett
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 07:51:00 Sara Nathan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 15:10:00 Rosco White
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 19:57:00 M Blissett
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 20:54:00 Nicola Howard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 21:01:00 Nicola Howard
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 22:16:00 M Blissett
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 22:18:00 M Blissett
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 23:28:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 23:40:00 Rosco White
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 23:42:00 Nicola Howard
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?15/03/12 23:51:00 M Blissett
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 00:11:00 Nicola Howard
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 00:50:00 Keith Iddon
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 14:17:00 Angela White
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 14:57:00 M Blissett
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 15:14:00 Angela White
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 15:18:00 Susan Kelly
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 15:28:00 M Blissett
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 16:04:00 Nicola Howard
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 16:21:00 Sara Nathan
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 16:55:00 Sarah Harris
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 17:57:00 Angela White
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 17:50:00 Angela White
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 18:10:00 Angela White
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 18:13:00 Keith Iddon
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 18:19:00 Angela White
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 19:00:00 Keith Iddon
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 19:18:00 Nicola Howard
                                                               Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 22:20:00 George Knox
                                                                  Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 22:25:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                     Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 22:39:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 23:05:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 23:28:00 Nicola Howard
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 09:28:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 10:53:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 13:19:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 13:25:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 16:35:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 23:09:00 Nicola Howard
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 23:33:00 Angela White
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?16/03/12 23:29:00 Angela White
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 01:43:00 George Knox
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 11:08:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 13:46:00 George Knox
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 16:13:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 16:36:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 16:39:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                             Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 16:43:00 George Knox
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 18:06:00 Sara Nathan
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Human Rights....gone insane?17/03/12 18:40:00 Keith Iddon

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