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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog
Posted by: John Theodore Clark
Date/Time: 18/11/09 13:58:00

"Your confidence, based on those studies , especially in light of your agreement that a born baby may in fact experience pain, is illogical. It's not scientific and it's not rational." My position on pain is perfectly rational. There is some evidence that, based on what you define as pain, pain may be felt at 27 weeks. Others say no, it isn't felt until 30 weeks. There is precious little evidence that pain may be felt at 11 weeks, as in the Silent Scream.

The problem is that there is no logical cut-off point. The point at which an unborn feels pain is only one point. Many things come into it. Most of it is about right and wrong, and not about science. At what point is one killing, and at what point terminating? At one end, when you use contraception, you terminate what might have been. At the other end, when you euthanise after birth, you are killing what is. Between the two, there are a wealth of steps. At what point is the unborn aware? At what point can it feel pain? At what point does it think? At what point does it look like a baby? Should one say that because one cannot define a line between baby and non-baby, all unborns are babies, so that all terminations are murder?

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Poor Dog09/11/09 20:03:00 Uzma Staite
   Re:Poor Dog09/11/09 21:25:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Poor Dog09/11/09 23:10:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 00:32:00 Fred Bray
      Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 09:58:00 Becky Bell
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 10:06:00 Uzma Staite
            This may help10/11/09 11:23:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 10:41:00 Emma Daniels
      Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 13:53:00 Dee Cook
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 18:00:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog11/11/09 09:33:00 Colin Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 19:36:00 Colin Carroll
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog11/11/09 13:47:00 Dee Cook
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog11/11/09 14:14:00 Sara Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 00:31:00 Uzma Staite
   Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 01:26:00 Alice Jones
      Re:Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 11:22:00 Dee Cook
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 13:17:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 18:09:00 Uzma Staite
      Re:Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 21:31:00 Eileen Francis
   Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 02:31:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 09:20:00 Clare Margaret
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 15:44:00 Colin Carroll
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 20:34:00 Clare Margaret
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 20:46:00 John Theodore Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 16:58:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 17:32:00 Jen Morty
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 19:43:00 John Theodore Clark
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 20:21:00 Clare Margaret
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog16/11/09 12:44:00 Dee Cook
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog19/11/09 00:55:00 Alice Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog17/11/09 14:01:00 Alice Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog17/11/09 14:28:00 Clare Margaret
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog17/11/09 15:09:00 John Theodore Clark
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 01:11:00 Clare Margaret
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 09:09:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 09:59:00 Clare Margaret
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 10:25:00 Colin Carroll
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 11:09:00 Clare Margaret
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 11:43:00 John Theodore Clark
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 12:16:00 Clare Margaret
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 12:42:00 Clare Margaret
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:01:00 John Theodore Clark
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:10:00 Clare Margaret
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:38:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:43:00 Clare Margaret
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 14:04:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:26:00 Sara Nathan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:34:00 Clare Margaret
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 12:58:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:28:00 Clare Margaret
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:58:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 16:15:00 Sara Nathan
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 16:33:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:From squished chihuahua to underage sex18/11/09 16:46:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:From squished chihuahua to underage sex18/11/09 21:49:00 Clare Margaret
                                                            At the risk of flogging a dead chihuahua...18/11/09 22:06:00 Clare Margaret
                                                               Re:At the risk of flogging a dead chihuahua...18/11/09 22:22:00 Clare Margaret
                                                                  Re:Re:At the risk of flogging a dead chihuahua...19/11/09 00:06:00 Jen Morty

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