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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog
Posted by: John Theodore Clark
Date/Time: 18/11/09 12:58:00

I am not saying that anone would carry out surgery on an unanaesthetised 27 week infant. That would be stupid. What I am saying is that, contrary to what you have stated, it is far from obvious, even to highly skilled observers (see the Systematic Multidisciplinary Review of the Evidence that I posted), that at such an age a human being is capable of feeling pain. Anaesthetics are used because there is a possiblility that at 27 weeks, pain can be felt.

Faith has a lot to do with the abortion issue, as you would find out if you typed "the Silent Scream" into Google.

I am not trying to lump you in with the pro-life movement. "It's poor form to argue against the behaviour of someone else to undermine your opponents argument." You brought forward Nathanson, who was a very a very active member of the pro-life movement. Are you saying that it isn't fair game for me to point out that much current opinion by specialists in nervous system development disagree fundamentally with Nathanson?

"Go onto any ward where the patents are non verbal ( strokes, dementia etc) and tell the staff that their pain assesment is invalid because it is 'faith' rather than science based and they will laugh at you." I never said this, and would never make such a stupid statement.

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Poor Dog09/11/09 20:03:00 Uzma Staite
   Re:Poor Dog09/11/09 21:25:00 Sara Nathan
   Re:Poor Dog09/11/09 23:10:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 00:32:00 Fred Bray
      Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 09:58:00 Becky Bell
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 10:06:00 Uzma Staite
            This may help10/11/09 11:23:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 10:41:00 Emma Daniels
      Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 13:53:00 Dee Cook
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 18:00:00 Sara Nathan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog11/11/09 09:33:00 Colin Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog10/11/09 19:36:00 Colin Carroll
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog11/11/09 13:47:00 Dee Cook
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog11/11/09 14:14:00 Sara Nathan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 00:31:00 Uzma Staite
   Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 01:26:00 Alice Jones
      Re:Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 11:22:00 Dee Cook
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 13:17:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 18:09:00 Uzma Staite
      Re:Re:Poor Dog13/11/09 21:31:00 Eileen Francis
   Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 02:31:00 George Spence
      Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 09:20:00 Clare Margaret
         Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 15:44:00 Colin Carroll
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 20:34:00 Clare Margaret
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog14/11/09 20:46:00 John Theodore Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 16:58:00 Colin Carroll
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 17:32:00 Jen Morty
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 19:43:00 John Theodore Clark
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog15/11/09 20:21:00 Clare Margaret
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog16/11/09 12:44:00 Dee Cook
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog19/11/09 00:55:00 Alice Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog17/11/09 14:01:00 Alice Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog17/11/09 14:28:00 Clare Margaret
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog17/11/09 15:09:00 John Theodore Clark
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 01:11:00 Clare Margaret
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 09:09:00 John Theodore Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 09:59:00 Clare Margaret
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 10:25:00 Colin Carroll
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 11:09:00 Clare Margaret
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 11:43:00 John Theodore Clark
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 12:16:00 Clare Margaret
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 12:42:00 Clare Margaret
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:01:00 John Theodore Clark
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:10:00 Clare Margaret
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:38:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:43:00 Clare Margaret
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 14:04:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:26:00 Sara Nathan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:34:00 Clare Margaret
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 12:58:00 John Theodore Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:28:00 Clare Margaret
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 13:58:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 16:15:00 Sara Nathan
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog18/11/09 16:33:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:From squished chihuahua to underage sex18/11/09 16:46:00 John Theodore Clark
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:From squished chihuahua to underage sex18/11/09 21:49:00 Clare Margaret
                                                            At the risk of flogging a dead chihuahua...18/11/09 22:06:00 Clare Margaret
                                                               Re:At the risk of flogging a dead chihuahua...18/11/09 22:22:00 Clare Margaret
                                                                  Re:Re:At the risk of flogging a dead chihuahua...19/11/09 00:06:00 Jen Morty

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