Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poor Dog | |
Posted by: | Clare Margaret | |
Date/Time: | 18/11/09 12:16:00 |
You're kidding? Are you actually suggesting that anyone would countenance surgery on an unanaesthetised 27 week gest infant because they didn't believe that the evidence confirms their experience of pain? " If it were that obvious, why would so many highly skilled observers find otherwise?" No. They don't. Zero highly skilled observers find otherwise. That's why anaesthetics are used for neonates. One of the points I'm trying to make is that pain is actually impossible to scienifically quantify or measure because it is a subjective experience. How do you assess the pain of my headache? You can only record my responses to pain ( grimacing, guarding, tachycardia, hormone responses etc as I said earlier) "The problem with the pro-life movement is that it isn't honest about its reasoning" I'm not the pro life movement. Please don't bracket me thus. I've tried not to lump you in with a 'movement'. Show me where I have been dishonest with my reasoning. It's poor form to argue against the behaviour of someone else to undermine your opponents argument. "The pro-lifers that I have met feel a moral certainty that killing the unborn is wrong (nothing wrong with that). But they then go out to find scientific evidence that supports their view, and ignore all other such evidence. That isn't science at all - it is faith." Again, I've no idea what this has to do with 'the pro lifers you have met'. Please explain what you mean by this? I don't see 'faith' as having anything to do with the abortion issue. That's like saying that opposition to any activity on human rights grounds ( torture, slavery, murder) is faith based. You are aware that there are plenty of people of no faith who are opposed to all these activities including abortion? Surely you can't believe that opposition to abortion is a niche religious thing? Go onto any ward where the patents are non verbal ( strokes, dementia etc) and tell the staff that their pain assesment is invalid because it is 'faith' rather than science based and they will laugh at you. It's your reasoning here that is not honest. |
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